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      Re: Make Solar Surge more accessible



      THIS is what mana burn abuse looks like.

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      Re: Make Solar Surge more accessible

      Quote Originally Posted by richardDkht View Post
      so if you use a lot of a card you are abusing it?

      that's not true. The real thing with MB is that it disrupt the process where one isn't paying attention to opponent and channels their own thoughts on what they want to do.

      "ill get X pips and hit"

      "oh dang, i can't anymore they stole three"

      "oh i don't know what to do they cheating me!"

      if said people had a bit of open minds, they would adapt, and instad of waiting for those pips, have a different spell ready in their deck.

      As a reminder, MB is the only attack card that cannot be enchanted, so a 5 pips mana burn against a player with 2 pips will only have a base 160 damage. That's half the damage of a basic 2-pips fire elf, which can get enchanted, btw.

      Of course it is balance damage, meaning it has no direct shield, but if you put some proper def gear, the damage output on low pips will be ridiculously low, specially with the new damage curves.
      And it costs them 5 pips.

      So basicly all you have to do is to keep your pips low, and kill them slowly.

      Thing is, what people want is to do a one shot big hit. If one plays strategy rather than "who's got it bigger", then the result will be in their favor.

      Just saying.
      Yea, now i see what you meant when you said you havent pvp for awhile. You need to see it for yourself to know what we talking about

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      Re: Make Solar Surge more accessible

      Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Strong View Post
      Solar surge is not hard to get, its a challenge you need to accomplish. I understand how you feel, when i came back i couldnt reach vet to get surge. It took me a lot of matches to finally reach vet but it also help me get better. Everytime you lose a match, go over your deck, go over the mistakes you made, what can you improve, what spells you need to take out, how many copies you need etc... Pvp is all critical thinking! I believe in you you will get to vet and get surge
      Well, it's easy if all you need to do is to tweek the deck. This is not an apples-2-apples comparison.

      Quote Originally Posted by ChoGath View Post
      A [month] ago, my youngest daughter and I decided to do some 2v2 together with my balance L76 wizard and her fire L75 wizard. Both of us were using decent pets, but nothing special. No mastery amulets were used. In total, we were dressed in decent, general PvE gear with 35% general resist. Both of us had win/loss records of 0-0 and rank 500. What happened next was shocking to me.
      Take off the optimized farmed/crown gear and simply buy stuff from the market. Take off the optimized pet and simply use a 1st generation pet like a Sea Dragon or Starfish. To be even more "noobie" realistic, don't use any crafted spells or specialty plant TCs (that haven't already been nerfed). For a super bonus round, don't use a dominate PVP school wizard like Ice. Use Storm or Death.

      Create a blog thread for 20-ish duels and lets see how you do.

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      Re: Make Solar Surge more accessible

      Quote Originally Posted by ChoGath View Post
      Well, it's easy if all you need to do is to tweek the deck. This is not an apples-2-apples comparison.



      Take off the optimized farmed/crown gear and simply buy stuff from the market. Take off the optimized pet and simply use a 1st generation pet like a Sea Dragon or Starfish. To be even more "noobie" realistic, don't use any crafted spells or specialty plant TCs (that haven't already been nerfed). For a super bonus round, don't use a dominate PVP school wizard like Ice. Use Storm or Death.

      Create a blog thread for 20-ish duels and lets see how you do.
      From private to veteran you dont need to be the " supreme warlord with the best gear" to get there

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      Re: Make Solar Surge more accessible

      Quote Originally Posted by Jesse Strong View Post
      From private to veteran you dont need to be the " supreme warlord with the best gear" to get there
      Then this should be easy - Create a blog thread for 20-ish duels and lets see how you do.

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      Re: Make Solar Surge more accessible

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      I've been doing Cosmic PVP on my Death lately and he was private before Solar Surge came out while people in PVP seem to have Solar Surge but I don't which puts me in a bad position and for those that say just use other enchant;

      Solar Surge: Adds up to 300+ base damage ExtraOrdinary: 25% more accuracy and 15% pierce Solar Surge adds so much damage while extraordinary adds pointless accuracy and some pierce while pierce gear and strike is meta, it's not helpful. I'm literally trying to get to veteran just to get Solar Surge while staying at private constantly winning and losing on my death but my Ice had good enough rank to have Solar Surge before the other damage enchants were banned from PVP but I also don't want to constantly do PVP on my Ice. The point is, people that already have Solar Surge are still around at low rank PVP and is doing way more damage than me when doing 1 spell like when a Storm uses Scion or a Fire uses S'mores and I can't do enough firepower back while I could have won the match with Solar Surge. Low rank is full of people that know what they are doing now with stuns, dispels, triage and more to unlike before.
      I agree. KI said they wanted to eliminate barriers of entry for PvP, yet they lock Solar Surge for Veterans+ creating a barrier of entry for people new to PvP. I haven't done PvP since before any of these updates came out but luckily for me I stopped at Veteran so I easily obtained Solar Surge to use whenever I decided to return to the arena.

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      Re: Make Solar Surge more accessible

      Another issue that came with solar surge was how it affected midlevel pvp - from what I can see, magus pvp is practically nonexistent at this point due to the ranked timer. The only viable strategies at that level anymore rely on blade stacking into a large hit and praying you defeat your opponent. The issue with all of these treasure card changes at that level is that the gear available greatly counters any non super-buffed hits and makes it practically impossible to wear your opponent down.

      As ChoGath said, the problem with pvp still revolves around the unsolved issue of stats and has many issues at it's core. Personally, I would love to see a rework of PvP similar to the specialized tournaments such as the classic tournaments (or perhaps maybe take inspo from the beastmoon hunt events).

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      Re: Make Solar Surge more accessible

      What do you think of this? @Sparck



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      Re: Make Solar Surge more accessible

      Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Slayer View Post
      What do you think of this? @Sparck
      Someone give me the clif notes .

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      Cool Re: Make Solar Surge more accessible

      Quote Originally Posted by Sparck View Post
      Someone give me the clif notes .

      • Solar Surge is the only damage enchantment in PvP right now
      • You must achieve the Veteran Rank or higher to train Solar Surge
      • New Duelists are getting stomped because they don't have Solar Surge yet
      • Players want Solar Surge to made made more accessible, i.e., lower the rank requirement to Private




      I hope that this summarizes everything!


      Last edited by JaredSpellFrost; 6-16-21 at 1:52:42 PM.

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