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      Karamelle Badges

      Finished Karamelle two days ago and wrapped up all side quests yesterday and am still only at 20 out of the 60 badges.

      Given how fast this world was to complete - I know people who finished the first day Karamelle was released! - I guess it's not to hard to imagine that there would be a few other badges to get, but 40 our of 60 seems a bit high.

      But while I was actually happy to have things to do even after finishing all quests (I'm a HUGE fan of all things Sound of Music), that joy has since turned to horror when I realized that the final badge for many of the monster types isn't 200, or 250, or, grrr....500 like Polaris or WC...but an obnoxious 1000! 1000 Marshfellows, 1000 Gummy Bears, 1000 Gummy Worms, 1000 Honey Badgers, 1000 Whatchamagolems, 1000 Gummy Bunnies, 1000 Brudels, and 1000 Gnomes.

      ACK!

      That is insane!

      It would be one thing if that, in the courses of completing all of your quests, you already defeated, say, a few hundred, but nothing could be further from the case. After completing ALL quests, I've killed exactly 25 Marshfellows, 12 Gnomes and a paltry 10 Honey Badgers! That means to get the badge someone would need to grind out 990 POINTLESS Honey Badgers! Pointless, except for the badge, that is.

      This is insane! KI has come out with some TERRIBLE badges that aren't just difficult, but absolutely ridiculous - 1000 Medulla - or else so exclusive to be next to impossible - like the School specific Deckathalon Champion badges - bu this....this is just punishment. Adding up all of the ones I've collected comes up to exactly 220 out of 8000. REALLY KI?! Was 500 "too easy"? Given how many were needed to finish KI, even 200 would've been a grind, but 1000 each? I'm up for challenges, but this kind of grind is....abominable.

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      Exclamation Re: Karamelle Badges

      Geez, its like KingsIsle selected these Badge requirements based off of arbitrary numbers they pulled out of a hat instead of actual data, game design, and Player feedback! This wouldn't be the first time the KI Devs have revealed a chilling lack of empathy and understanding of the basic concept of "time"- Just check out Ratbeard's stance on the penultimate grind that is the Deckathalon, Catacombs, and Spellements!:



      I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for these badges to be reduced to more reasonable levels. If I were to guess, the Devs ramped up the difficulty for these defeat titles to keep a small chunk of the Playerbase engaged. Personally, I would argue that it does the opposite- being faced with such a massive grind is more likely to drive Player's away than to keep them engaged, IMHO.

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      Re: Karamelle Badges

      Quote Originally Posted by JaredSpellFrost View Post
      Personally, I would ague that it does the opposite- being faced with such a massive grind is more likely to drive Player's away than to keep them engaged, IMHO.
      EXACTLY! I goal that is tough, but attainable, is one thing, but I agree with you 100% - a goal that is so over the top is far more likely to turn people off.

      I get it, badges are optional content and it's if I don't want to defeat another 7780 more Marshfellows / Gummies / Brudels, etc - then I don't HAVE to. But collecting badges is what I do and this seems like...punishment almost. We didn't get more energy as our wizards leveled up to 140 because KI says there wasn't a corresponding "energy sync" - what changed as we leveled up to 140 to justify THIS? Can we fight them 4 at a time solo? No. So what justifies DOUBLING the previous highest badge requirement? Even with 3 or 4 people that's still 1945 fights, or else 3890 fights fights solo. What does THAT sync to?!

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      Re: Karamelle Badges

      not to mention some of the requirements for some badges
      there are 7 badges for mobs 3500, 2334, 1750 battles so same as dragoon farming :^)))))
      took a bite out of crime you need to solo jamburgler in 3 rnds balance gets it easy here
      solo badges for judge veg are truly for masochist you need to beat him in a poly form and there is one for each so that is 4+1 badges
      mano a muggodefeat treemugger on the 14th rnd how would anyone know this without looking at the files
      i've got 27 of 60 and anything mob wise over 500 kind of ruins the fun
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      Re: Karamelle Badges

      I'm all for more creative ways to earn badges but they really should have added hints to some of these in the badge page. I'm not sure how anyone would have figured out that one for Treemugger. I mean, I know there are still some players who aren't that great at Pve, but even I can't imagine it taking them that long to beat him. At this point, there better be a badge for beating the Jamburglar while having all your pips or something.


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      Re: Karamelle Badges

      Quote Originally Posted by WarWeaver View Post
      I'm all for more creative ways to earn badges but they really should have added hints to some of these in the badge page. I'm not sure how anyone would have figured out that one for Treemugger. I mean, I know there are still some players who aren't that great at Pve, but even I can't imagine it taking them that long to beat him. At this point, there better be a badge for beating the Jamburglar while having all your pips or something.
      there is a badge for that called Drawless Victory and his cheat does 15% of your hp vs his 10% so without maycast pet heals i dont see how you get this badge
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      Re: Karamelle Badges

      Quote Originally Posted by WarWeaver View Post
      I'm all for more creative ways to earn badges but they really should have added hints to some of these in the badge page. I'm not sure how anyone would have figured out that one for Treemugger. I mean, I know there are still some players who aren't that great at Pve, but even I can't imagine it taking them that long to beat him. At this point, there better be a badge for beating the Jamburglar while having all your pips or something.
      That's a planned addition.

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      Re: Karamelle Badges

      I'm at 24 out of 60 badges and am slightly disappointed and frustrated with this set. I don't like the jump from "Defeat 100" to "Defeat 1000." What happened to defeating 250 and 500? I also wish they would tell us where to get the rest, since the first page of the Karamelle badges is almost completely blank and I have no idea where to get any of the others.

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      Re: Karamelle Badges


      these ridiculous kill 1k of something badges are the reason i simply stopped caring about badges. unless it's a badge that i really like, not going to bother. i have better ways to spend my time then spending weeks grinding mobs, 2 at a time.



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      Re: Karamelle Badges

      ....something....something....something..."no stinking badges"...something...something...


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