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  • View Poll Results: Do You Want Prizes To Be Awarded Fairly?

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      Angry No, I Did NOT Finish In 4th!

      I have been joining a few Tournaments lately, and it has been quite a lot of fun! However, when the time comes for rewards to be given out I have been incredibly disappointed with these past few Tournaments. Take a look at the picture below. Points wise, one would think that I am tied for 5th Place, right? Wrong! The game calculates it as me being in 12th place, which awards far less tickets.



      Now, take a gander at this photo. One would think that I tied for 3rd, no? Wrong again! I got 4th place, with less tickets and no trophy. How is it decided that Gilroy Lifegiver is given the Trophy, but not me when we are tied? Is it arbitrary? Is it decided by our Wizard's names? Or is it decided by an inaccurate Diego?



      @Sparck, please tell me that this is a bug that will be fixed in the upcoming 5th Age PvP update... Nobody should be shortchanged on tickets because they tied with somebody else (An incredibly common occurrence in Tourneys too).

      Here are a few more pictures illustrating my point and my frustration:


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      Re: No, I Did NOT Finish In 4th!

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      Re: No, I Did NOT Finish In 4th!

      Quote Originally Posted by JaredSpellFrost View Post
      I have been joining a few Tournaments lately, and it has been quite a lot of fun! However, when the time comes for rewards to be given out I have been incredibly disappointed with these past few Tournaments. Take a look at the picture below. Points wise, one would think that I am tied for 5th Place, right? Wrong! The game calculates it as me being in 12th place, which awards far less tickets.
      I know it's frustrating to try to work your way up the board, but the good news is a few points can make a big difference. So, in your first example, 11 more points would put you 5 places up! There are 11 players who scored more points, which puts you tied for 12th. It's the number of players, not the number of scores.

      To my knowledge, it's always been calculated this way. In any score-based events I've ever done, this is a standard methodology. For a real life example, the U. S. Open is coming up soon. Here's the leader board from last year as an example, which is quite common. You can see Scott and Oosthuizen ended up in 7th...

      U.S. Open 2019 Leaderboard Final

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      1 G. Woodland -13
      2 B. Koepka -10
      T3 J. Rahm -7
      T3 C. Reavie -7
      T3 J. Rose -7
      T3 X. Schauffele -7
      T7 L. Oosthuizen -6
      T7 A. Scott -6
      T9 R. McIlroy -5
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      Re: No, I Did NOT Finish In 4th!

      Quote Originally Posted by ValdusWildheart View Post
      I know it's frustrating to try to work your way up the board, but the good news is a few points can make a big difference.
      But how can I get those extra points? Even if I win, there is no guarantee that I'll place in 1st, 2nd or 3rd because of how Diego orders it. In the last Tourney I participated in, I wound up with 220 points. Points-wise, I should have placed in 3rd, along with several others. But Diego put me in 6th! There were six people ahead of me, 5 of which had more points. But what determined me being put behind Dakota, and ahead of Autumn and Alex?

      The way I see it, this ranking system is outdated and arbitrary. Ties can and will happen, so why punish Players for when they do?

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      Re: No, I Did NOT Finish In 4th!

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      Re: No, I Did NOT Finish In 4th!

      This is not a bug, nor is it an oversight. It's how ranking has always, and should always work.

      In the 2016 summer olympics, there was a three-way tie for second place in the 100m butterfly (swimming).

      The first placer was awarded their gold medal.
      The 3 second placers were awarded silver medals.
      No bronze medals were awarded.

      The next fastest person would be the 5th fastest swimmer in the pool. It wouldn't make sense for them to be third place because there were 4 faster racers.

      Similar situation here. You did finish 4th because there are 3 players who performed better than you. Unlike swimming however, these ties are much more likely to happen.

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      Re: No, I Did NOT Finish In 4th!

      its not an oversight or glitch its just how rankings work in life, its the same as exam ranks as well.

      if two people come first in an exam with 90% the guy who technically came 2nd got 80% the rankings will look like

      1. 90
      1. 90
      3. 80


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      Re: No, I Did NOT Finish In 4th!

      Yeah, I'm sorry Jared, but this is just how ranking works. That's how it worked when I was in competitive sailing when I was a child decades ago. This is how it worked when my kid was competing in gymnastics a couple years ago. This is how it works in every professional sport I've really seen.

      When there are ties, the tied scores are all assigned the same "place" (though there are often rules to break the tie for advancement like for example if one tied competitor beat the other tied competitor they will advance). BUT the next competitor is given the position of (#of all competitors that got a better score than they did) + 1.

      I can see how you are conceptualizing it in a different way, but that is not the convention.
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