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      Shadow Shrike completely unfair for PvP

      Ok so I am a lvl 71 warlord with a rating of 1459 which means i play level 95 privates most of the time. Recently one used shadow shrike. It is completely unfair for PvP. For those of you who do not know what it is, it gives 50% pierce and 10% damage and -25% healing plus the backlash. The backlash doesn't even out this at all. The person I was playing, his backlash was about 30 damage a turn which is barely anything. It is unfair that someone can just completely rip through my resist with hardly any cost.

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      Re: Shadow Shrike completely unfair for PvP

      Do you mean 30 backlash? At the end of the Shadow Shrike/Sentinel/Seraph you take the percent of backlash you have. So if you have 30 backlash, the wizard would take 30% of their health. So if they have 3000 health, they would take 900 health, which will affect them greatly if you time your hit correctly

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      Re: Shadow Shrike completely unfair for PvP

      Quote Originally Posted by TheSummoner View Post
      Do you mean 30 backlash? At the end of the Shadow Shrike/Sentinel/Seraph you take the percent of backlash you have. So if you have 30 backlash, the wizard would take 30% of their health. So if they have 3000 health, they would take 900 health, which will affect them greatly if you time your hit correctly
      Well the guy I fought, when his backlash came, it did 68 damage or something like that and that was it

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      Re: Shadow Shrike completely unfair for PvP

      Did he resist? I though there was nothing that affected Backlash damage

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      Re: Shadow Shrike completely unfair for PvP

      Quote Originally Posted by TheSummoner View Post
      Did he resist? I though there was nothing that affected Backlash damage
      I dont really know all I saw was a 68 and thats it. His health didn't seem to change at all really

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      Re: Shadow Shrike completely unfair for PvP

      A) Backlash is a percentage of the user's CURRENT health.
      B) Attacking with Shrike up lowers its backlash by 10% each attack.
      C) There's an absolute minimum of 10% from Backlash, no matter what you do, you get at least 10%.

      Chances are you had this person's health around 680HP and they got 10% backlash, which is 68HP.
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      Re: Shadow Shrike completely unfair for PvP

      Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
      A) Backlash is a percentage of the user's CURRENT health.
      B) Attacking with Shrike up lowers its backlash by 10% each attack.
      C) There's an absolute minimum of 10% from Backlash, no matter what you do, you get at least 10%.

      Chances are you had this person's health around 680HP and they got 10% backlash, which is 68HP.
      Backlash should really be increased to offset the amazingness of the rewards of using the spells. I mean, it goes down by literally not being a complete idiot with it.

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      Re: Shadow Shrike completely unfair for PvP

      Quote Originally Posted by DarkDrake View Post
      Backlash should really be increased to offset the amazingness of the rewards of using the spells. I mean, it goes down by literally not being a complete idiot with it.
      I think the implementation is better than people give it credit for.

      While, yes, you can reduce backlash by doing what makes sense.. if something goes wrong you're stuck attacking anyway. A shield or heal with Shrike up will add 10%. Just passing or being stunned or fizzling doesn't remove backlash either. And while it seems like a small number when your opponent is almost dead already, casting a Shadow Spell with full health can and will take a big chunk away from you if anything goes wrong. Literally, you could dispel your opponent for 3 turns and force them to lose 30% of their health.

      Edit: Also wanted to add that it limits the attacks an opponent can safely use. If a Fire tries to use Link or Power link it ends up not removing any backlash at all. The same with Sabertooth, or Life's new King Artorius spell. And for Death, their drains don't register as an attack, remove no backlash. Etc etc. I like the fact that the rules are simple, but actually using them can be very nuanced.

      It's just new, people don't fully understand it yet, and haven't learned to deal with it.
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      Re: Shadow Shrike completely unfair for PvP

      Quote Originally Posted by piedude919 View Post
      Well the guy I fought, when his backlash came, it did 68 damage or something like that and that was it
      It doesn't seem like there would be much you could do about it as a Level 74 fighting someone 20 levels above.

      As for Backlash, I re-read the Update Notes and it still doesn't say anything about 10% minimum. Could be that it was never intended.

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      Re: Shadow Shrike completely unfair for PvP

      So I believe I have figured out a little more about backlash. I was fighting someone, he used shadow shrike, and when it ran out it only did 60 damage to him. I think this is because It only does the percent damage to the amount of health they still have left because at the time he had around 240 health left. Also, am I the only one that thinks shadow shrike shouldn't work with infallible to give people a 65%-70% pierce? Not to mention pierce blades and armor pierce

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