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      Guide to predict your new pet's talent pool

      This is just a guide. There are exceptions. Pet hatching has a lot of randomness. My assumptions are based on many people's posts, research, and my own experience. I have find this helpful so I thought I'll share it with others.

      To start with, you need to know both parents' talent pool (i.e. all 10 talents and its placement). I included an example, I mixed a 1st generation Stormzilla and a 1st generation Sea Dragon, I ended up with a Sea Dragon. The attached picture show each parent's talent pool and placement. The bolded talents are the manifested talents. I also included my guess of the child sea dragon (Roscoe) talent pool. The bolded ones are the actual manifested talents.

      To guess the child's talent placement & pool, I assumed the following. Keep in mind that there is no absolute. In general, I think they are true-enough to be a safe assumption.

      1) The child will inherent all manifested talents from its parents. The actual estimated probability is about 95%.
      2) The mainifested talent order will be preserved. Please note, I do not mean the actual placement. For example Abbey's Disarmament is the last one in its list but it is not the last one in Roscoe's. But, Disarmament is after Spritely on both list.
      3) The child will inherent 4 to 6 talents from each parent. In reality, this can be as wide as 8-2. Once as you have more practice, you will find that this is not that big of dealt to help you to "guess" the talents.
      4) If the parent's has a manifested talent, the same talent has higher chance to manifest in the child. I inverted this into, if the child manifested a talent that one of the parent has manifested, I assume that talent came from that parent. Again, not necessarily alway true but it seems to help most of the time.

      Now, your new pet (egg) will tell you the dot placement of its talent pool. You will have to switch from the short 5 talent view (i.e. the original view) to the Full talent view by click on the little list icon on the bottom of the pet screen.

      By following the above guideline and process of elimination, I can kind of guess what talent ended up where.
      1) Abbey has no 1 dot talents. So, all of Roscoe's 1-dot talents have to come from the Stormzilla. Now we have 2 talents from the Stormzilla - Storm Proof, and Storm Giver.
      2) Stormzilla's Pip O'Plenty have to come before Health Gift. And, health Gift have to be before Storm Proof. Since Roscoe's only 2 2-dot talents before the 1st 1-dot talent, so those 2 2-dot talents have to be Pip O'Plenty and Health Gifts (and in that order). 2 more from Stormzilla - POP and Health Gift (total 4 so far)
      3) We also know the new pet will inherent Storm trap which should be before Storm Giver but after Storm Proof.
      4) We have identified total 5 talents from Stormzillar - POP, health Gift, Storm Proof, Storm Trap, and Storm Giver. So, all remaining talents should come from the Sea Dragon Abbey. After fill in all manifested talents from Abbey, Roscoe only has 1 open slot - 4 dots that is after Tower Shield but before Spritely. Base on Abbey's talent list, it has to be Spell Proof.

      My example is pretty simple. If you are using 2nd gen pets or if there are shared talents, you will end up with a lot more uncertainty. As my pet's talent start to manifest, I can backfill up the parent's talent pool. Overtime, I actually start to get a pretty good picture of the 3rd or 4th gen pets.

      Another note, a lot of people ask should they level their pet up more or not. I usually say yes if you want to use it to hatch, more information means better predictability.

      The Talent / Derby Ability Order Project => http://www.wizard101central.com/foru...-Order-Project
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      Last edited by Ellie Kat; 7-23-16 at 1:53:10 PM. Reason: Update for the new talent view.

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      Re: Guide to predict your new pet's talent pool

      How many times would you need to hatch a pet to get the pool of talents that you want? For example, I Have a 72 Pedigree Pixie Queen, When it only has one of the talents it manifested from its parents, and thats spell-defying. I also got health gift, Spritely, and Peircemonger
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      Re: Guide to predict your new pet's talent pool

      Quote Originally Posted by <strong>doomguy10 View Post
      How many times would you need to hatch a pet to get the pool of talents that you want? For example, I Have a 72 Pedigree Pixie Queen, When it only has one of the talents it manifested from its parents, and thats spell-defying. I also got health gift, Spritely, and Peircemonger
      Due to the randomness of inherentance and manifestation, it is really hard to say. Assuming that you can find another pet that has all the talents you want, you are able to hatch with that pet consecutively, and you are the luckiest person in this game, it could be as little as 2 hatches.

      Keep in mind that at the end of these hatches, you may not have a Pixie Queen anymore. It could be a Piggle (or Dragon or ...) but with all the right talents. I have read that someone did 66 hatches to get the right pet with the right talents. It is a loooong road that requires lots of gold and patient.
      Last edited by Ellie Kat; 6-19-11 at 2:23:07 PM.

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      Re: Guide to predict your new pet's talent pool

      Can you help me? I was trying to get a Fragmented Dragon from a previous mix(Didn't get it ). i was wondering if you tell what the talents might be. Here are the photos.
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      Re: Guide to predict your new pet's talent pool

      Nice guide.

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      Re: Guide to predict your new pet's talent pool

      Quote Originally Posted by <strong>blackowl View Post
      Can you help me? I was trying to get a Fragmented Dragon from a previous mix(Didn't get it ). i was wondering if you tell what the talents might be. Here are the photos.
      I'm assuming both Boomer and Murphy are 1st gen pets. Here is my guess (see attached). I highlight which parent the talent came from (Boomer or Murphy). The pet talents for Boomer and Murphy are what is posted in central wiki.
      * Since Murphy has no uncommon (1-dot) talents, all Rascal's uncommon talents have to come from Boomer which there is 5.
      * This means the remaining 5 Rascal's talents will come from Murphy (Sea Dragon).
      * Talent 8 and 9 are undeterminable due to Boomer has 5 uncommon talents after Ice Giver but Rascal only has 2.
      * Talent 10 can be either Piercemonger or disarmament.
      * The bolded talents in Rascal does not mean they will manifest. They have higher likihood compare to the other talents.
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      Re: Guide to predict your new pet's talent pool

      Nice guide!

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      Re: Guide to predict your new pet's talent pool

      Very interesting.. I have tried 5 hatches so far.. and go figure you spelled it exactly! Thank you & will follow your guide and see if I can get a pet worth anything.. Thank you for your post! Very informative!

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      Re: Guide to predict your new pet's talent pool

      Can you get a pet with the same trait twice?

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      Re: Guide to predict your new pet's talent pool

      pretty good guide

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